Wednesday, April 13, 2005
Do I Love Frank Miller? Well, do I?
Since this worked so well the last time I asked a similar question, I'll try it again. Is Sin City worth seeing? I know that it looks great and all, but how is it otherwise? Remember, I haven't really read comic books since 1977 when my mom told me to stop reading them before bed because they were giving me nightmares.
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Dude I already told you it was good, as did mooney and balgavy!!!!! You like Noir so that is an element past the visuals and comics for you to enter the material. Also the retrn of Mickey Rourke is worth the price of admission!!! Plus you loved El Mariachi....so why are you kavetching about seeing it???!?!?!
sin city is a sequel to el mariachi? i had no idea.
and for the record, marc did not tell me that he loved it. and i don't believe i have talked to mooney about it.
if you think this is me kvetching, you have no idea.
See it.
Just go see it, you don't hem and haw about all those 400 other movies you see every year.
i love how when i simply ask people for advice, i'm being accused of criticizing it.
i think the first storyline - the mickey rourke one - is great. really fantastic. and rourke honestly does some amazing acting.
the rest completely falls apart - the 2nd one - the clive own one - is less great and the third - the bruce willis one - would be a disaster if it didn't have jessica alba and all her talents.
it has lots of problems - as a film, i think it completely fails. as literal adaptation of the books, it's probably great but i never read the books.
so, not having any emotional links to the books, i would have rathered they found a way to tell the three stories at the same time, instead of three separate pieces. and cutting away some of the fat while they were at it. i think the mickey rourke storyline could and should have been a feature in it's own right.
but do go see it. it's purty.
I wanted to see it really badly but if I see one more movie with Jessica Alba dancing provocatively. ......
I wonder if she will do that in "The Fantastic Four" another comic book movie?
I didnt say Balgavy LOVED IT, I said he said it was good and worth seeing....try reading instead of jumping to conclusions. Also i am just suggesting since you liked el mariachi you know you like at least some films by Robert Rodriquez....Jeesh I was only trying to answer your question on why you should see it. You love abuse I swear.....Kfan is right.
I disagree with alex by the way. I think the fans of comics/graphic novels dont get as caught up in how the story/characters arent as traditional movie as more movie people would like and for that I say good. Its almost fresh in that it doesnt get cought up in story arcs and deep characterization and uses visuals as well as writing to tell a complete story. I loved it.
In fact dont see it because I am aleady dreading your whiny take on it......I hear there is an Yemenese film festival thats great.....
The Hater
haters,
i don't ask for abuse but i can take it. in my post, i asked whether or not i should see it. i know chris has seen it but i was curious for more opinions.
i'm told that i kvetch and that i hem and haw when i was merely asking for opinions.
if i had posted what alex had just written, i would be criticized for being whiny and too critical. i can't win with you guys.
so is my lot in my life.
by the way, anyone in brooklyn interested in a screening of catch 22 at bam next week with a q and a with buck henry?
and also next sat, at the brooklyn lyceum there is that shot for shot reworking of raiders of lost ark. youthlarge and i are going. if you're interested in either film- neither from yemen, e-mail me and let me know.
chris,
you are right- you didn't say that marc loved it. i know that everyone on the fence seems to say that it looks great but the story and dialogue are not so great. i wanted to know if this was true.
and yes, i'm familiar with the work of robert rodriguez but that doesn't necessarily mean i will like sin city. i don't have to see melinda and melinda to know that i won't like it as much as annie hall or that i even need to bother.
hater larry - glad to see you are back to your old hatin' ways and in a big way.
kfan - actually yes, he does hem and haw about the 600 other movies he sees a year.
listmaker - spy kids 4-evas!
p.s. i hear this movie blows anyway.
before clicking on the comments section, i noticed that there were 11 of them. i thought to myself, "i guarantee that at least 5 of these comments are between Chris Larry and Listmaker!" i'm so glad that you guys are so predictable!
carry on with your baltimore ways, gentlemen.
Weasel (with plagaristic apologies to Listmaker).
neither of us is from baltimore! go to handwashings and harass him.
I needed something that started with 'B'.
Dang, brooklyn would have worked, wouldn't it?
Damn you Philbin! You've trumped me again!
The movie far from "blows"....but Youthlarge hates movies more than balgavy so what does she know...
Listmaker, you asked for reasons to see it and I gave you:
1. People you respect liked it
2. You like noir, it follows in that tradition
3. Lots of signature rodriquez whom you like
4. You profess to like film and this film breaks new ground with using digital technology.
etc
How did I not do what was asked????? I thought I was being helpfull!!!!!
Maybe I threw a few good natured barbs in there but you think I am boring when I dont!!!
ALSO about the bad dialogue and story, AGAIN, Its like a comic book, so no its not in iambic pantamter or some shit, its like a pulp novel or comic which should be appreciated diffrently than bullshit like "film' and "literature"
Jeesh and the fact that I am the hater will never cease to amaze me...
The Hater
i don't think you can completely forgive awkward dialogue by applying the label of a genre or a medium. it started as a comic book, but this is a film. sometimes things don't translate well from one medium to another. there is reading and there is performance. they're different.
and to handcuff yourself completely by the rules of the genre is to sell yourself short. the best noirs were built upon the conventions of the films before it, but at the same time they added their own twists and inventions to best tell their story.
i feel like it could of been amazing, and i don't think it was. but dan should still go see it.
DAAAAAHHHHGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I were you Listo I wouldn't ask for advice again.
sippin' the haterade!!!!
debbie,
i am officially banning the phrase "sippin' the haterade" from this blog. please plan accordingly.
please refrain from discussing what i like and don't like in the comments sections of your blogs. it is well known that i don't read comments.
I agree with most of Alex's comments, except I liked the Clive Owen section better than the Mickey Rourke one, for three reasons:
1. Benicio del Toro is, as usual, amazing. And hilarious.
2. At the end of the Mickey Rourke section, the explanation of the motivation behind the murder that started the whole chain of events makes no sense at all.
3. In the Clive Owen section, the prostitutes are tough and kick ass. There's some female toughness in the Mickey Rourke section, but in that one and the Bruce Willis one women are mostly helpless victims and/or objects of warped desire. Frank Miller clearly has some weird issues concerning women.
But I will acknowledge that Rourke gives his character a full-bodied personality and charm that's lacking in all the other characters in the movie.
Overall: Dialogue is simplistic, most characters are paper-thin, visuals are great, over-the-top violence is fun and sometimes disturbing, Frodo is freaky in an entertaining way. For its uniqueness, it's worth seeing.
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